15:00:26 <richard> #startmeeting Tor Browser Weekly Meeting 2024-07-22
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15:00:36 <richard> the pad as usual -> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-keep
15:00:38 <ma1> o/
15:00:49 <donuts> o/
15:02:21 <jwilde> o/
15:02:44 <clairehurst> o/
15:02:50 <richard> ok only two small things from me this week
15:03:00 <brizental> o/
15:03:09 <richard> first off is we've deferred the google play api update until november, by which time we will have gotten it for free from the esr128 transition
15:03:18 <bellatchau> o/
15:03:20 <PieroV> \o/
15:03:32 <richard> thanks to the 4 or 5 people who emailed me about this :D
15:03:35 <PieroV> Great news, one less problem :)
15:03:41 <bellatchau> lol
15:03:56 <richard> a bit tongue and cheak but actually thx for looking out but it has been taken care of thanks i love you
15:04:03 <richard> lol
15:04:11 <ma1> :)
15:04:26 <richard> second off is after our retro last week I went off and started organising things a bit better for the 14.0 release -> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/42754
15:04:47 <richard> for now there's one root issue with 6 or so child issues for each of the bits
15:04:54 <richard> and each of those child issues link to the various actual work to be done
15:05:22 <richard> reminder the immediate priority (apart from dev work related to the 14.0a1 release) is the ticket triage
15:05:32 <richard> (thanks for the issues already henry-x :D )
15:06:12 <richard> ok, apart from that I've nothing else
15:06:55 <PieroV> What's the plan for 14.0a1?
15:06:57 <richard> oh, we do have an (optional as always) release meeting scheduled today at 1800 so if you're actively working on some part blocking the 14.0a1 release please swing by
15:07:42 <PieroV> Oh, okay, should I defer my q to that meeting? Or should we briefly talk about it here?
15:07:56 <henry-x> Re the ticket triage, how in depth should we be? Just skimming the title to see if it sounds interesting, or also reading the bugzilla?
15:08:29 <richard> re 14.0a1, we've a slot for it in the calendar for tomorrow, but it looks like nightly failed over the weekend (and android still needs to be merged last I saw)
15:08:36 <richard> but let's cover it in more depth at the release meeting
15:08:51 <PieroV> Tor Browser is okay
15:08:54 <PieroV> (desktop)
15:09:06 <richard> henry-x: it depends, i think if your first instinct is it needs further investigation/review just make the ticket
15:09:18 <PieroV> Mullvad Browser Windows seems to be the problem (I'm dogfooding nightlies on Linux fwiw, and they're very good :))
15:09:22 <richard> though in the past I've definitely done probably more in-depth review work as part of triage if an issue was interesting
15:09:37 <dan_b> for android: i'll get to 125 today. want to try a few quick reorders to see if they are conflict light. either way then i'll start the rebase into tb 14 128 repo 🙂
15:11:59 <richard> I *think* if it my make sense to priortise the rebase in the old order for 14.0a1, and re-order for 14.0a2
15:12:06 <richard> but that can be a topic for the release meeting too
15:12:53 <PieroV> +1 for keeping the order, if it helps reviewing
15:13:13 <dan_b> sure
15:14:41 <richard> ok, any other topics or announcements or queries?
15:16:11 <donuts> o/ weren't we moving the release meeting to a different day?
15:16:29 <richard> todays is the one-off you requested for this release
15:16:45 <richard> but yes, the regularly schedule one is now wed morning at 1500 iirc
15:16:58 <richard> next one would be the 31st
15:17:01 <donuts> oh right, I assumed it would be at the new time instead
15:17:07 <donuts> it's clashing with our meeting with pavel atm
15:17:22 <richard> we've a meeting w/ pavel?
15:17:55 <donuts> uh I guess it's just me
15:18:09 <richard> lol
15:19:22 <donuts> sorry to be a bother, but can we do the release meeting at the new timeslot instead please?
15:20:08 <richard> alright sure
15:20:12 <donuts> thank you :)
15:20:25 * PieroV already forgot when is the new slot ^_^;
15:20:31 <ma1> wed 15 utc
15:20:41 <richard> in which case, should we chat about the release's technical aspects now?
15:20:43 <ma1> just before the allhands
15:20:43 <PieroV> ack, thanks
15:20:53 <PieroV> richard: wfm
15:21:12 <richard> alright, so where are we at w/ the alpha branch(es)
15:21:37 <dan_b> are invites going out for that? i dont have it in my calendar
15:21:52 <PieroV> Desktop is doing good. We've had nightlies.
15:22:22 <PieroV> We have nightlies also of Android, but they have only GV patches. At least theyu build
15:23:02 <richard> dan_b: it's in the tor browser calendar
15:23:06 <PieroV> I've tried only Linux x86_64 builds IIRC or maybe also Windows x86_64
15:24:29 <PieroV> Mullvad Browser has some mingw problems. I'm trying with mingw's HEAD. It has some problems (it doesn't use qualified enough names in some places) and a header/struct is still missing
15:24:47 <richard> for WebRTC yeah?
15:24:51 <dan_b> richard i reloard the calendar and the meeting from today popped over to wednesday (good) but they kept their time of in 2.5 hours (not ideal?)
15:25:05 <PieroV> I'm happily surprised the default browser agent seems not to be a problem (unless I forgot to re-enable it in my mozconfig, I have to check it agani and check with June if her patches make mine unnecessary)
15:25:22 <richard> dan_b: give nextcloud some time :p
15:25:43 <dan_b> oh geez
15:25:46 <dan_b> a second reload did it
15:25:48 <dan_b> thats....
15:25:49 <dan_b> cool
15:26:17 <clairehurst> Lol same here
15:26:25 <richard> I'm happy disabling webrtc for alpha if it turns out to be an annoyance for 14.0a1
15:26:43 <richard> but it sounds like rebasing the android patches are the bigger blocker
15:26:51 <PieroV> The alternative is to delay MB alpha
15:27:08 <PieroV> (well, I took for granted 14.0a1 would be desktop-only in any case)
15:27:41 <richard> i'm also ok with making 14.0a1 desktop only too
15:27:42 <dan_b> if the rebase gods are nice, Im hoping to have them landing tomorrow
15:28:08 <richard> ok
15:28:17 <PieroV> dan_b: I think it'd be wiser to do some nightlies first
15:28:22 <richard> let's plan on 14.0a1 tomorrow(ish) and 14.0a2 next week with Android too
15:28:30 <PieroV> I don't know if Moz is doing a point release for 128.0
15:28:34 <PieroV> For the pinning problem
15:28:35 <richard> i doubt we'll make significant user-facing Android changes in the intervening week
15:28:44 <dan_b> but no idea how well they'll build (ie: they keep adding more nimbus use stuff, I've been trying to sqash what I saw in conflicts, but its likely other users won't surface till patch review or build and run that'll crash
15:28:45 <PieroV> But maybe we can plan 14.0a2 to be out with the point release
15:28:49 <richard> 128.0.2 dot release this week per my email
15:29:03 <PieroV> Is 128.0.1 being skipped?
15:29:12 <PieroV> It hasn't been tagged in mozilla-esr128
15:29:23 <thorin> /o
15:29:24 <richard> huh not sure
15:29:35 <richard> but just got an email from release-drivers saying 128.0.2 tomorrow
15:29:37 <richard> so..
15:29:39 <richard> vOv
15:30:39 * ma1 checks if there's any security@mozilla.org email...
15:32:06 <ma1> security-list@mo, nothing other than the weekly stats
15:33:00 <ma1> maybe a non-sec bugfix release. Most likely the pinning stuff?
15:34:53 <richard> are we going to need another stable release for this?
15:35:41 <ma1> if it's only pinning we're good on TB
15:36:03 <PieroV> There are already a lot of commits in mozilla-esr128
15:36:11 <PieroV> After the tag we've used
15:36:28 * ma1 was looking at the git log as well
15:37:58 <richard> i briefly forgot stable is on 115
15:38:27 <richard> in any event, my preference is not to release more than necessary
15:40:39 <richard> alright, anything else from folks?
15:40:40 <ma1> some of the recent commits are also on the 115 branch, but it seems they're not releasing 115.14 so it seems we can wait.
15:40:54 <richard> otherwise let us end this meeting and go about our day/lives
15:41:23 <PieroV> Nothing from me
15:42:03 * thorin dreams of fingerprinting week
15:43:17 <richard> ok folks, have a good week o/
15:43:19 <richard> #endmeeting