15:00:43 <morganava> #startmeeting Tor Browser Weekly Meeting 2024-10-07
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15:00:55 <morganava> pad per usual -> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-keep
15:01:27 <morganava> 14.0a8 did not go out last week, due to incrementals requiring the (local?) existence of 13.5a11
15:01:41 <dan_b> did we get any insight into that?
15:01:44 <morganava> so my build was able to build tor-browser (since tb-build-02 had them locally)
15:01:47 <morganava> dan's was not
15:01:47 <catladyfelicia> o/
15:01:52 <boklm> tor-browser-build!1055 should fix that
15:01:54 <morganava> and mullvad-browser failed across the baord since no 13.5a11 existing for MB
15:02:07 <morganava> ^^;
15:02:12 <morganava> ok excellent
15:02:24 <bellatchau> o/
15:02:39 <dan_b> nice, thanks boklm!
15:02:48 <morganava> PieroV: in a similar vein, the relprep.py script will also try to build TB from the 13.5 alpha series
15:02:56 <morganava> er, try to build incrementals from*
15:03:10 <PieroV> morganava: it uses the commit date iirc
15:03:18 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> Hi!
15:03:42 <bellatchau> hello
15:03:45 <PieroV> Because doing version parsing isn't trivial, and up until a few months ago I couldn't think of a case similar to the one we're having
15:04:18 <morganava> no worries, just so people are aware if they have to do release-prep :D
15:05:53 <morganava> ok the only other thing I have is to remind you all to follow through on that mail I sent last week re Mullvad VPN account renewals
15:06:04 <morganava> which are particulalry necessarfy if you kick builds to devmole :D
15:07:41 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> Hey so I need to dash to something else going on today, but a very quick one-message update on the NLnet grant I submitted last week:
15:08:05 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> "this mail serves to acknowledge receipt of your grant application. The project will be carefully reviewed for eligibility, in two rounds. There has been enormous demand for our programmes, and things take longer than usual."
15:08:06 <morganava> I've also cc'd you all on our 14.0 QA issues
15:08:06 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> "We expect the first round to take about nine weeks, but given natural variation in the amount of projects and their complexity it may take longer or shorter. When the first round of review is done, we will inform you whether or not your project will be selected to enter the second round of the October 2024 call."
15:08:27 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> So, this'll take a while to work through the grant queue
15:09:08 <ma1> I remember my first submission, which they approved in 15 days :')
15:09:22 <ma1> (like 12 years ago?)
15:09:30 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> ma1: yeah, their turnaround time has been progressively increasing for the past few years
15:10:00 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> anyway yeah, it is what it is, hopefully they'll fund it
15:10:05 <morganava> like w/ 13.5 we should all pick some platform(s) to test and verify our varous features  are working as intended (tor-browser#43190 and tor-browser#43191)
15:10:25 * Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m] heads afk, ping me in #tor-browser-dev if you need anything from me
15:10:48 <morganava> ma1: speaking of which I have a bunch of NLNet NoScript stickers in my purse i meant to give you
15:10:52 <morganava> whoops
15:10:59 <morganava> i'm sure they'll keep
15:11:15 <morganava> best of luck Jeremy!
15:11:27 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[m]> thanks morganava !
15:11:52 <ma1> ditto (thanks morganava) !
15:12:10 <PieroV> gl!
15:12:26 <morganava> ok, if things go well this week I'm aiming for 14.0 release *next* week
15:12:51 <morganava> donuts: we should probably coordinate later this week so comms et al are fully informed
15:12:58 <morganava> but we'll see how QA nad 14.0a2 go
15:13:15 <PieroV> morganava: what are the blockers exaclty?
15:13:19 <morganava> we will probably know by middle of this week if we need to push the date back further
15:13:24 <donuts> morganava: oh wow, that snuck up on me
15:13:29 <donuts> better pull a blog post together :3
15:13:36 <PieroV> Prefs and broken addons on Android as far as I know. More?
15:13:43 <morganava> iirc, the pref review, and a pair of Bugzilla reviews (all on ma1's plate atm iirc)
15:13:51 <morganava> oh yeah and broken addons
15:13:52 <ma1> yep
15:13:57 <morganava> also on ma1's plate
15:14:13 <PieroV> I can take some
15:14:18 <PieroV> (I'm debugging the addons, for example)
15:14:53 <morganava> for MB we're waiting on WebRTC patches to be in a mergeable state (though iirc they are confirmed working last week \o/)
15:15:14 <PieroV> Did someone else got them working apart from me?
15:15:29 <boklm> PieroV: have you been able to check if 13.5a10 correctly updates to 13.5a11 on Windows7?
15:15:32 <morganava> i don't think so, given they came in late last week
15:15:44 <PieroV> (btw, lld is very unhappy with our cross-built local builds with debug enabled, and it never exited for me)
15:15:54 <PieroV> boklm: I think dan did, but I can double check, also on macOS
15:15:57 <morganava> i'm planning on pointing Rui to nightlies for mullvad qa once they are merged
15:17:32 <morganava> ok, i think that is my list
15:17:44 <morganava> any topics from you all to discuss?
15:17:48 <PieroV> boklm: yep, confirmed both Windows 7 and macOS 10.14 are okay
15:17:55 <boklm> nice
15:18:00 <PieroV> morganava: I have, more or less
15:18:13 <PieroV> I know that 14.0 isn't out yet
15:18:17 <morganava> the floor is yours
15:18:25 <PieroV> But it'll be nice to have a nice transition :)
15:18:52 <PieroV> I've started going through ~Backlog, and I think many of them should be postponed, even though they don't have ~"14.5 stable"
15:19:40 <PieroV> Are there plans already for how to move to any 14.5 work?
15:20:48 <morganava> at the moment I have no guidacne for you re 14.5 work, beyond hand-wavey 'stuff that got cut for 14.0'
15:22:27 <PieroV> Okay, I'll keep checking the boards and think to something :) BTW, I would like to do some patchset reordering work
15:22:30 <morganava> in the absence of 14.0 blockers and guidance from management I think the best course of action for the first little bit of 14.5 going to be: take it easy,  work on something you'll enjoy or personally  bothers you in the calm while PMs and leads get their shit together
15:23:35 <morganava> maybe now is a good time to work on documentation updates :3
15:23:41 <morganava> etc etc
15:25:03 <morganava> PieroV: patchset re-ordering particularly for Android would be a good use of time in this lull
15:26:04 <morganava> ok, anything else from folks?
15:26:32 <boklm> are we moving next meeting to tuesday?
15:26:41 <boklm> (since next monday seems to be a holiday)
15:26:56 <morganava> so it would seem!
15:27:34 <morganava> i'll send mail out after this meeting, but we'll delay until the 15th the next one
15:30:50 <morganava> alright, if there's nothing else then i'm happy to call it
15:31:19 <morganava> i'll review that incrementals MR asap and push a new 14.0a8 MR to tor-browser-build
15:31:40 <morganava> have a good week everyone o/
15:31:42 <morganava> #endmeeting