16:00:46 <morganava> #startmeeting Applications Team Meeting 2025-01-13
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16:00:57 <morganava> it's 2025-01-13 aka 2024-13-13
16:01:10 <brizental> lol
16:01:13 <ma1> o/
16:01:24 <morganava> the apd as usual: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-keep
16:01:40 <morganava> it's the start of the year, so perhaps a good time to prune out your old entries
16:02:14 <catladyfelicia> o/
16:03:08 <jwilde> o/
16:03:18 <morganava> good morning everyone
16:03:29 <morganava> brizental: I just sent a nice email to BrowserSstack re quota
16:03:32 <morganava> oke
16:04:16 <morganava> 14.0.4 and 13.5.11 went out last week
16:04:25 <morganava> (thanks ma1 for the help)
16:04:30 <brizental> morganava: thanks! hope they give us unlimited access to app automate as well
16:05:01 <morganava> this week we have Tor/Mullvad 14.5a2 on the docket
16:06:29 <morganava> PieroV has already rebased TB and I'm sure MB is imminent
16:06:39 <PieroV> morganava: there's a MR already
16:06:48 <PieroV> Let me check if it's draft by mistake
16:07:01 <morganava> \o/
16:07:35 <PieroV> mullvad-browser!154
16:08:05 <morganava> My tuesday is completely booked, so can someone else take the release-prep tomorrow?
16:08:23 <morganava> and is anyone keen to sign+publish this week?
16:08:46 <PieroV> I can do anything after this meeting
16:09:07 <morganava> i suppose we should somehow formalise a signing rotation
16:09:14 <PieroV> E.g., relprep today and build overnight
16:09:19 <ma1> I can sign+publish if necessary
16:10:18 <ma1> when I'm done, anyway, I'd like to mainstream some QoL tweaks to the signing process I've got in my local tbb repo ;)
16:10:29 <morganava> alright that works for me
16:10:32 <morganava> ma1: yes please :D
16:11:23 <morganava> ok PieroV release prep, PieroV+ma1 build: ma1 publish?
16:11:31 <PieroV> wfm
16:11:56 <morganava> it looks like the devmole build script isn't working given no hashes appeared for last weeks build
16:11:56 <ma1> wfm too. I still need to braintransplant my new 96GB machine, so I'd prefer to build remotely
16:12:01 <morganava> i'll poke mullvad
16:12:14 <PieroV> ma1: sure, I can build locally
16:12:18 <morganava> jesus, you coan build so many noscripts with that
16:12:38 <morganava> ok
16:12:42 <ma1> lol, emulated in android studio
16:13:28 <morganava> the other thing from me is that right before break I sent out a pair of proposals emails re: updating some gitlab processes
16:13:56 <morganava> issue labelling and using separate issues for uplift+backports
16:14:31 <morganava> if you haven't already please have a read and comment if you've any wisdom to share
16:15:08 <dan_b> oh ma1! congrats on a new comp? I just "upgraded" from 64gb ram to 96 over the holidays too
16:15:29 <ma1> dan_b, ty, I guess RAM is a must in android dev land :)
16:15:41 <morganava> and a reminder from last year that I shifted around 1:1s to all be on Tuesdays now rather than Thursdays so don't let that surprise you
16:15:48 <dan_b> tho i also learned modern motherboard advertised max capacity is like "with ideal ram conditions" so just adding more sometimes doesn't work, had to swap the 64 for entirely new 96 😕
16:16:31 <ma1> I had it built by tuxedo (a German linux hw shop), so it's under their warranty :P
16:16:54 <morganava> and finally, i've scheduled our sync w/ Mozilla for Thursday at 1600 UTC; if you're interested in being in on that feel free to join otherwise you're more than welcome to ignore
16:17:29 <morganava> ok i think that's everything out of my head
16:17:39 <morganava> does anyone have topics of discussion to go over?
16:17:44 <PieroV> I do
16:17:50 <morganava> go for it PieroV
16:18:00 <PieroV> We're still finalizing the process for RR rebases
16:18:18 <PieroV> However, when shall we start with them?
16:18:52 <dan_b> morganava: the calendar invite for the moz colab looks like its for ... 1400 utc?
16:18:57 <morganava> I think we should start them ASAP
16:18:59 <PieroV> The blockers would be the process itself (which is almost figured out, I believe), and any patchset work we want to do
16:19:03 <dan_b> or maybe I can't read
16:19:07 <morganava> dan_b: yeah I messed up the initial invite but since edited it
16:19:35 * morganava double-checks
16:19:42 * dan_b awaits nextcloud figuring that out
16:19:44 <PieroV> However, can we even put any further patchset big work on our schedule?
16:20:43 <dan_b> pierov: are you happy enough with the android patchset to start RRing it?
16:21:11 <morganava> (yes confirmed it is 1600 UTC on Thurs)
16:21:28 <PieroV> dan_b: there's still a too big commit
16:21:38 <dan_b> (morganava it moved for me when I accepted the updated one!)
16:21:38 <PieroV> Or maybe even a couple
16:22:24 <PieroV> But there are also desktop/shared stuff we could fix (e.g., the onion security expectations)
16:23:09 <PieroV> But it all boils down to what we want to do during these 3 months before 14.5 stable (IIRC it's scheduled around April 20)
16:23:36 <morganava> perhaps we just get going with RR rebasing, and do any remaining patch shuffing/splitting during the 15.0 release cycle in the summer vOv
16:23:52 <PieroV> Yep. I've checked Moz's calendar
16:24:11 <PieroV> And we have 3 scheduled alphas (4, if we count 14.5a2)
16:24:59 <dan_b> agreed: we can never hit perfection, but you got in some big improvements, can always optimistically schedule more for the summer and get going now 🙂
16:25:57 <morganava> that works for me
16:26:26 <morganava> PieroV: I'm prioritising the rebase template this week and have gotten through most of your suggestions
16:29:03 <PieroV> ack, thanks
16:29:24 * ma1 takes advantage of this temporary silence to thank PieroV for taking on letterboxing uplifting <3
16:30:15 <morganava> :)
16:30:32 <morganava> ok, any other topics for discussion?
16:30:45 <PieroV> ma1: yw :) But sadly I'm stuck on Windows tests failing
16:31:21 <ma1> PieroV, let's chat later of what went wrong(er) since last morning with that
16:33:17 <morganava> and looks like BorwserStack has acquiesed to our request :D
16:33:43 <brizental> morganava: whaat! that was fast haha and great news!
16:34:07 * ma1 suspect it's not everyday that a browser vendor asks something :D
16:34:43 <brizental> morganava: can confirm, it's now listed as an unlimited product
16:34:48 <morganava> \o/
16:34:57 <morganava> the power of email
16:36:08 <morganava> alright folks
16:36:31 <morganava> i hope you all had a relaxing break, slept a lot and had all the right snacks
16:36:31 <dan_b> woo congrats
16:36:40 <morganava> if there's nothing else today, then let's call it :)
16:36:55 <ma1> ty have a great week
16:37:27 <morganava> ok. later everyone o/
16:37:30 <morganava> #endmeeting