16:00:06 <Shelikhoo[mds]> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
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16:00:06 <Shelikhoo[mds]> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469
16:00:06 <Shelikhoo[mds]> editable link available on request
16:00:15 <Shelikhoo[mds]> hi~hi~
16:00:16 <onyinyang[mds]> hihi
16:00:27 <meskio[mds]> hello
16:00:43 <gus[mds]> o/
16:02:48 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I see there was 2 interesting links, but no new discussion topic
16:03:39 <meskio[mds]> we are all thinking on the break next week, nice that there is nothing urgent to fix before it :)
16:03:59 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I will start with interesting links:
16:04:05 <Shelikhoo[mds]> https://defcon.social/@thedarktangent/116823843127887175
16:04:05 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Both VPN and email are well understood services, there is no shortage of people with expertise, it is not a big technical challenge to set up and operate...
16:04:05 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Each became impossible or unattractive after talking to people who have operated them at deep levels over time.
16:04:37 <Shelikhoo[mds]> The first interest link described the practical challenges of operating vpn servers
16:05:15 <dcf1> I thought it was interesting because it talked abou perverse incentinves
16:05:39 <dcf1> The bad/email VPn operators will always be able to provide a cheaper and easier product than the good/private VPN operators
16:05:55 <dcf1> Kind of a "market for lemons", maybe
16:06:14 <dcf1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons
16:06:23 <Shelikhoo[mds]> yes, I think a lot of LLM resellers also sell user's conversation transcript to ai labs
16:06:40 <Shelikhoo[mds]> to allow them using these data to distill models
16:07:41 <Shelikhoo[mds]> which basically allow these reseller sites to sell access to models below their cost of getting access to these models
16:07:58 <Shelikhoo[mds]> okay, let's move on to the next topic
16:08:11 <Shelikhoo[mds]> https://dashboard.censoredplanet.org/cenalert.html
16:08:11 <Shelikhoo[mds]> https://censoredplanet.org/papers/cenalert.pdf
16:09:19 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I see here is an example of how it would show an "incident": https://dashboard.censoredplanet.org/cenalert.html?country=Iran&event=2026-05-26
16:09:28 <dcf1> This one uses web search trends to discover censorship events
16:10:38 <gus[mds]> very interesting!
16:10:50 <Shelikhoo[mds]> yes, I still see no discussion topics are added
16:10:59 <gus[mds]> nina13: bookmark that link! ^^^
16:11:28 <Shelikhoo[mds]> anything we wants to discuss before this meeting comes to an end?
16:11:37 <meskio[mds]> nothing from me
16:12:33 <gus[mds]> arma talk at fossasia about snowflake is online - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2r0rCdeDMQ
16:12:56 <gus[mds]> s/talk/workshop
16:13:13 <Shelikhoo[mds]> BTW, Tor will have a break next week, and there is no meeting next Thursday at this time
16:13:19 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Thanks everyone!
16:13:24 <Shelikhoo[mds]> #endmeeting