16:00:18 #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting 16:00:18 Meeting started Thu Jul 16 16:00:18 2026 UTC. The chair is cohosh. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:23 hello everyone 16:00:28 hello 16:00:29 here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469 16:00:37 let us know if you need a link to edit it 16:00:50 hi~hi~ 16:01:04 hihi 16:01:11 i'll wait a minute to let people fill the pad 16:02:34 okay just one item on the agenda for discussion 16:02:51 an update from snowflake daily operations 16:03:16 that's mine 16:04:03 Snowflake Daily Operations is the name for the Open Collective that takes donations for the operation of the snowflake-01 bridge. 16:04:06 https://opencollective.com/censorship-circumvention/projects/snowflake-daily-operations 16:05:06 We are touched by the recent situation with Mullvad, because Mullvad has been the largest yearly contributor. About 75% of donations in the past 12 months have come from Mullvad. 16:05:41 We at Snowflake Daily Operations have been talking about what to do. 16:06:27 We're planning to make a public statement with our decision, but fyi, it's going to look like refusing donations from Mullvad. 16:06:56 I guess this is only for future donations, isn't it? 16:07:15 That's going to put a serious crunch on our operations, which is the other thing we're talking about, how to deal with the shortfall, whether through alternative sources of support or through reduced capacity. 16:07:40 meskio[mds]: we're still working out the details. 16:08:30 We'll probably at least put out an appeal for more donations, and we're looking at other ideas as well. 16:09:13 I undestand is not an easy decision 16:09:54 There is a lot to consider. But everyone on the team, I think it's safe to say, is comfortable with the idea of not taking any more money. 16:10:28 That's all, just updating you all on the situation. 16:10:40 the snowflake's distributed bridge system does support more than 2 bridges, so it is possible for us to spread the cost across more operators 16:10:54 the snowflake's distributed bridge system does support more than 2 server/bridges, so it is possible for us to spread the cost across more operators 16:11:08 Yes, that is one option we have talked about, add more bridge capacity to reduce the bandwidth needs of snowflake-01. 16:11:34 however, the bottleneck at C-Tor's bridge fingerprint pinning system is not changed 16:11:56 I think your decision makes sense, I hope making the call works to cover the missing money 16:12:28 yeah, thank you for the update 16:13:31 me too! 16:13:38 let us know if there's more we can do on our side to support this 16:13:41 yes, thanks for the update 16:14:48 next up are some interesting links, related to PETS and FOCI next week 16:15:08 https://petsymposium.org/popets/2026/popets-2026-0030.php 16:15:32 "Obscura: Enabling Ephemeral Proxies for Traffic Encapsulation in WebRTC Media Streams Against Cost-Effective Censors" 16:15:54 "Troll Patrol" is also directly relevant to Tor bridges, when I checked the PDF was not up yet. 16:16:08 yes, I see we do have a long hold merge request about encoding data in webrtc media stream 16:16:12 and other PETS/FOCI papers relevant to this team: https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/636 16:17:03 I recall there is a paper about differential degradation attack on media stream 16:17:12 by DPI and selectively drop packets 16:17:19 @dcf1 it's up now at https://petsymposium.org/popets/2026/popets-2026-0154.pdf 16:17:20 yeah we've discussed some of these in our reading group 16:17:42 it is possible to harm data transfer more than live streaming 16:18:26 (just one thing come to my mind when I see the title of this paper, that I should pay attention to) 16:19:24 anything else for today? 16:19:33 not from me 16:19:38 EOF from me 16:20:16 okay i'll end the meeting here, thanks everyone! 16:20:19 #endmeeting