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16:04:49 <isabela> boom!
16:04:56 <isabela> ok folks
16:05:35 <isabela> this should be easy - but before we go down the list onthe pad, I want to start giving people time to ask karsten any questions related to his update on sponsorO
16:05:52 <sebastian_meet> please give the pad url? My laptop died and I have no data here atm.
16:05:53 <karsten> let me summarize it here.
16:06:05 <karsten> there was some confusion when the contract ends.
16:06:13 <karsten> may 31, june 30, july 31.
16:06:16 <sebastian_meet> (I promise to be the real Sebastian, but I cannot prove it well)
16:06:23 <sebastian_meet> :)
16:06:28 <karsten> sebastian_meet: complete "Probe..."
16:06:39 <isabela> sebastian_meet: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/b8qfmF0AVQ
16:07:19 <karsten> so, the current plan, which is not fully confirmed yet, is that we'll continue until june 30.
16:07:39 <karsten> we're going to make plans to finish things by march 31, april 30, may 31, and very few on june 30.
16:07:50 <karsten> also, the ongoing tasks will go until june 30.
16:08:15 <karsten> does that make sense? questions? (not sure if I can answer them, but I can guess and/or forward them.)
16:08:45 <sebastian_meet> Seems to make sense.
16:08:51 <Phoul1> makes sense
16:09:01 <Envite_> Makes sense for me
16:09:12 <sebastian_meet> What happens if there is no continuation? Scrambling to get stuff done for may 31?
16:09:45 <karsten> we shouldn't plan to do many things in june anyway.
16:09:55 <karsten> those that we put there won't be done if there's no continuation.
16:09:56 <sebastian_meet> good
16:10:21 <karsten> in fact, I don't know if any of the documentation/support tasks should happen in june.
16:10:24 <karsten> except help desk, of course.
16:10:43 <karsten> we might re-decide this in may though. :)
16:10:56 <karsten> but then we'll know more about continuation.
16:10:59 <Envite_> Which is the future of HD at the moment?
16:11:10 <karsten> needs funding to continue past june.
16:11:17 <karsten> I think Phoul1 is on that.
16:11:36 <Phoul1> Envite_: I have been working with Karen to figure out funding. There is a slight delay on that though, will hopefully know more around the 31st of March.
16:11:37 <karsten> though it might not happen on july 1st.
16:11:40 <isabela> I hope to help figure that out (fund past june)
16:12:28 <Envite_> thx
16:12:28 <karsten> Phoul1: maybe you can give us an update whenever we meet here?
16:12:38 <Phoul1> That works :)
16:12:59 <karsten> and, isabela, thanks for helping with this.
16:13:14 <Phoul1> isabela: yes, thank you!
16:13:27 <isabela> also!
16:13:30 <isabela> if I may :)
16:13:49 <karsten> yes? :)
16:13:52 <isabela> I want to have a chat with you all in another moment to build a plan on how to simplify user support and scale it
16:14:00 <isabela> but that is not for now
16:14:01 <isabela> hehe
16:14:05 <Envite_> Ok
16:14:10 <karsten> sounds great!
16:14:12 <Envite_> That will help, as well
16:14:21 <Envite_> not for es/pt/it but sure for en
16:14:54 <isabela> cool shaw we move to https://etherpad.mozilla.org/b8qfmF0AVQ
16:14:54 <isabela> ?
16:15:03 <karsten> sure
16:15:04 <isabela> (mozilla pad keeps restablishing connection for me)
16:15:07 <isabela> #weird
16:15:32 * mrphs lurks
16:16:11 <isabela> can I just go down number by number asking for updates?
16:16:23 <Envite_> sure
16:16:26 <karsten> that's for march updates?
16:16:29 <isabela> yes
16:16:32 <isabela> march only
16:16:45 <karsten> okay. should we go through the others after that and make plans for april?
16:16:56 <karsten> or just march?
16:17:02 <isabela> lets do both
16:17:09 <karsten> ok.
16:17:39 <isabela> 6.1-6.6 is ongoing - anything to update there?
16:17:58 <Envite_> IT+PT (6.2)
16:18:06 <isabela> Envite_: go for it
16:18:16 <Envite_> We are about to have a new person, with no additional funding needed
16:18:50 <isabela> great
16:19:17 * isabela moving to 8
16:19:17 <karsten> are you coordinating that with Phoul1?
16:19:18 <Phoul1> Envite_: If you have a moment after the meeting, I'd like to figure out a few things about that with you.
16:19:25 <Envite_> Sure
16:19:31 <karsten> great
16:19:34 <isabela> cool
16:19:46 <isabela> 8.1 -> karsten
16:19:49 <karsten> yep
16:19:58 <karsten> brochures are done, blog post draft is written,
16:20:12 <karsten> waiting for feedback from ailanthus, will send by march 31 at the very latest.
16:20:13 <sherief> If I disconnect, I'll come back on mobile internet, just saying.
16:20:26 <karsten> 8.1 under control.
16:20:35 <Envite_> I've received no "lasta call" for brochures translation
16:20:38 <isabela> nice
16:20:39 <Envite_> *last call
16:20:50 <karsten> translations?
16:20:57 <karsten> there are no translations currently.
16:21:13 <karsten> were you planning to translate it?
16:21:17 <Envite_> Yes, at least we talked about having them translated after definitive EN version was agreed
16:21:21 <karsten> (I remember you were planning that for valencia..)
16:21:46 <Envite_> yes, and it was delayed since there were no definitive english version
16:21:47 <karsten> so, there's not really a final version,
16:21:51 <karsten> okay.
16:21:57 <karsten> I'd say we can still do that if you want.
16:22:08 <karsten> I just can't say whether there will be changes in the future.
16:22:14 <Envite_> sure, if I can start now, I'll do
16:22:15 <karsten> but we could make those changes in two versions.
16:22:21 <karsten> please do. do you have the url?
16:22:30 <harmony> isabela: 8.7 should just be 'rewrite the short user manual', rather than the OSX specific thing (though there will of course be OSX-relevant information in the final thing)
16:22:32 <Envite_> just re-paste it ;)
16:22:38 <harmony> i can give an update on that in a moment
16:22:49 <karsten> Envite_: https://gitweb.torproject.org/user/karsten/tor-brochure.git/plain/tor-brochure.odg
16:23:00 <isabela> harmony: thanks i will go down the list and I ping you in a bit
16:23:09 <sebastian_meet> is it my turn?
16:23:09 <karsten> Envite_: sorry, I didn't know you were blocking on me.
16:23:17 <sherief> harmony: I asked Lunar about the OSX thing. He just wanted to document the Gatekeeper stuff
16:23:29 <isabela> karsten Envite_ I will move to the next number if is ok
16:23:30 <sebastian_meet> 8.2 done, got started on 8.3. Roger protested that I'm removing content that is duplicated elsewhere, but I think I convinced him that one of the issues is *too much* content. Don't think I'Also did the discussion part for 8.4, with similar results. We'll split the FAQ and see how it goes. My idea for targetting is not mixing users and relay ops and researchers, etc.
16:23:33 <harmony> sherief: ah right
16:23:38 <karsten> isabela: ok.
16:23:58 <Envite_> OK for me
16:23:59 <isabela> thanks sebastian_meet !
16:24:02 <sherief> harmony: I would be happy to do that upon your request
16:24:02 <sebastian_meet> whoops. I wanted to just write it, not send it already. meh.
16:24:11 <isabela> hehe
16:24:20 <isabela> sebastian_meet: how is it looking for march 31?
16:24:32 <sebastian_meet> I don't think I will get anything more done for March 31.
16:24:51 <karsten> sebastian_meet: you mentioned the other day that there will be some visible progress for the report.
16:25:08 <sebastian_meet> yes. Patches have been committed already
16:25:27 <karsten> sebastian_meet: what we need for the report is a short paragraph that summarizes what was done.
16:25:28 <sebastian_meet> for 8.4, we have a decision as visible progress
16:25:37 <karsten> doing the rest in april or may sounds fine to me.
16:25:42 <sukhe> ok
16:25:43 <sukhe> :)
16:25:46 <isabela> cool - lets update the date at the pad
16:25:48 <sebastian_meet> how many words is a short paragraph
16:25:53 <isabela> hehe
16:25:58 <sebastian_meet> shall I write something in the pad
16:26:03 <sebastian_meet> under the things?
16:26:10 <isabela> karsten: what do you prefer?
16:26:14 <karsten> to be honest, I don't know how many words. I'm not writing the report.
16:26:22 <isabela> ok
16:26:25 <karsten> writing in the pad seems fine.
16:26:37 <karsten> though we may not want to put it on the wiki.
16:26:42 <isabela> yes
16:26:50 <karsten> hey, harmony, you're collecting progress for the report.
16:26:52 <isabela> you can either write in the pad or email it to us
16:27:03 <karsten> any preferences for a word count?
16:27:55 <harmony> karsten: how do you mean, sorry
16:28:00 <karsten> sebastian_meet: how about you write down as many words as you need, so that you remember what you did in 3 weeks from now when somebody asks you again? :)
16:28:29 <sebastian_meet> I am writing some words now
16:28:41 <karsten> harmony: how detailed should summaries be for the quarterly report?
16:29:24 <harmony> karsten: ah, i have no preference - I tend to make the ones i write about as long as a TWN item, but if other people are writing them then I don't mind
16:29:35 <harmony> it rather depends on what the report writer is willing to sit through :)
16:29:45 <karsten> sounds good!
16:30:06 <karsten> isabela: okay, I think we can continue.
16:30:07 <isabela> sebastian_meet: do you have any update for 8.6? (not sure if you updated on that already)
16:30:26 <isabela> sorry
16:30:27 <isabela> !
16:30:28 <isabela> that is may
16:30:32 <isabela> ignore that
16:30:33 <isabela> harmony: !
16:30:38 <isabela> 8.7 :)
16:30:40 <sebastian_meet> yeah I have no update yet sorry.
16:30:47 <harmony> hello!
16:30:48 <harmony> yes
16:31:10 <harmony> i have rewritten the existing pages of the manual at tb-manual.tpo, and added some new sections
16:31:15 <harmony> this is still going on
16:31:38 <harmony> i also need to get my ldap account set up so I can make these public in git (i may need help here)
16:31:50 <karsten> help from whom?
16:31:51 <harmony> i hope I can do that before the end of the month
16:32:17 <harmony> anyone who can tell me briefly how to do it
16:32:19 <karsten> harmony: do you have a signed pgp key?
16:32:26 <harmony> yes
16:32:29 <karsten> harmony: I can help you with that.
16:32:34 <karsten> let's talk more after the meeting?
16:32:41 <harmony> ah, the ldap account exists, i just don't know what to do next!
16:32:42 <harmony> yes
16:32:43 <harmony> let's
16:32:48 <karsten> okay.
16:33:05 <isabela> cool
16:33:13 <harmony> that's it from me in this context, i think, please let me know if anyone wants to know anything else
16:33:21 <Phoul1> harmony: I can also help then too, if needed.
16:33:32 <harmony> Phoul1: thanks
16:33:52 <isabela> ok
16:34:04 <isabela> 9.1 karsten sherief
16:34:11 <isabela> how is it going?
16:34:21 <karsten> we made a rough plan how to do automated screencasts.
16:34:33 <karsten> and sent that to tor-dev@ (?) or another list.
16:34:34 <sherief> I need more time since I am working on pushing instantbird translations before march
16:34:39 <sherief> working with sukhe on that
16:34:44 <sherief> more on that tomorrow
16:34:51 <karsten> ok.
16:34:58 <isabela> lets move it to april then?
16:35:01 <karsten> so, it's unlikely that we'll have a prototype.
16:35:02 <isabela> and report progress
16:35:05 <sherief> Would be great.
16:35:06 <Envite_> Instantbird is on Transifex?
16:35:08 <karsten> sounds reasonable.
16:35:15 <sherief> Envite_, No
16:35:28 <Phoul1> Envite_: I think Instandbird would be on Mozilla's thing.
16:35:31 <sherief> let me explain how to start translating it after the meeting
16:35:42 <Envite_> ok, touch me about that, after the meeting, for spanish translation
16:35:51 <sherief> Sure.
16:36:05 <isabela> cool
16:36:15 <isabela> Envite_: 9.3 guess that was done
16:36:16 <isabela> hehe
16:36:22 <isabela> thanks!
16:36:37 <isabela> 9.4 is done too?
16:37:00 <isabela> cool
16:37:04 <Envite_> 9.3 has a problem: it is two-part
16:37:23 <karsten> oh!
16:37:26 <Envite_> first part is for KAJART video and is done, but second part is kind of ongoing
16:37:47 <karsten> better?
16:37:48 <isabela> sure
16:37:53 <Envite_> way better :)
16:38:24 <isabela> 10.1 is done
16:38:31 <isabela> and I guess we are done with March!
16:38:33 <karsten> I think so, yes.
16:38:44 <isabela> do people want to talk about April?
16:38:55 <Envite_> Aye Sir!
16:39:07 <isabela> (and maybe schedule another meeting as follow up in two weeks)
16:39:10 <karsten> so, I suggest we consider May 31 as deadline for most things.
16:39:27 <karsten> which means we really shouldn't schedule most remaining things for May.
16:39:44 <karsten> maybe we can do something like last time where we identified low hanging fruit,
16:39:47 <karsten> and put them in April.
16:39:54 <isabela> sounds good
16:40:00 <karsten> well, not-quite-as-low-but-still-low hanging fruit.
16:40:11 <isabela> hehe small jump low
16:40:16 <karsten> exactly!
16:40:19 <Envite_> :P
16:40:50 * isabela suggests peole go down the list at the pad and try to find those small jump low fruits)
16:40:59 <isabela> *people
16:41:36 <sherief> I just edited 9.6
16:42:06 <sherief> finishing all the scripts by April is reasonable
16:42:09 <karsten> should we split it up?
16:42:14 <sherief> Yeah
16:42:21 <Envite_> 9.6 last part is a bit overlay with 9.3.1 and 9.4.1
16:42:27 <Envite_> isn't it?
16:42:38 <Envite_> now 9.6.1
16:42:51 <karsten> right.
16:43:50 <karsten> to be clear, it may be that we won't have shiny automated screencasts by may 31 or even june 30.
16:44:03 <karsten> we didn't explicitly promise them, so that's okay,
16:44:12 <karsten> but it's quite hard to get this right.
16:44:56 <karsten> better with dependencies?
16:45:12 <Envite_> Yes for ES/ZH
16:45:37 <Envite_> Should we have the same 9.3.1/9.4.1 for the other languages?
16:46:30 <karsten> sure.
16:47:03 <karsten> I think we only have 9.3.1 and 9.4.1 because those made it into contracts.
16:47:10 <karsten> for the others we would rely on volunteers.
16:48:02 <sherief> by "translate" you mean voice overs or subtitles?
16:48:03 <karsten> great :)
16:48:20 <karsten> well...
16:48:26 <sherief> or both
16:48:33 <karsten> what do you think?
16:48:48 <Envite_> Chinese seems to discard voice-overs, all the others can have voice
16:48:49 <karsten> subtitles is probably easier,
16:48:58 <sherief> lets keep things flexible, I would go with subtitles only
16:49:08 <isabela> yeah
16:49:09 <karsten> agreed.
16:49:18 <karsten> let's focus on the script and automation.
16:49:24 <mrphs> (if I wanna see whether or not we can make more videos, should I ask it now? or even at this meeting?)
16:49:58 <karsten> hmmmm
16:50:12 <karsten> this boils down to having funding for new videos, right?
16:50:13 <sherief> mrphs: 9.6.1 is basically screencasts showing users how to download, verify and run TB
16:50:44 <mrphs> karsten: I think so.
16:50:44 <sherief> nothing fancy like your video :p
16:50:59 <Envite_> BTW Windows 10 Technical Preview is available, and our users are starting with it
16:51:01 <mrphs> sherief: dont understimate the power of screencasting ;)
16:51:04 <karsten> mrphs: we should have that discussion with someone who can decide that, I think.
16:51:28 <karsten> mrphs: maybe email is a better place to include those people.
16:51:39 <mrphs> ok. sorry to interrupt. back to lurking :)
16:51:59 <isabela> mrphs: ping me latter I am trying to connect things like this (work - sponsor)
16:52:00 <karsten> no, that's fine. thanks for bringing it up. :)
16:52:08 <karsten> great, isabela!
16:52:47 <karsten> harmony: one thing we should do in the next two weeks,
16:52:48 <sherief> Envite_: even though it will be a free update, i doubt users are going to move fast from 7 and 8
16:52:57 <karsten> start with a list of things that were done in q1.
16:53:21 <karsten> harmony: I'll help with that by making a random list of things that come to mind.
16:54:01 <karsten> are we done with april?
16:54:02 <Envite_> sherief: We already have at least one user trying Tor (and encountering it does not work)
16:54:33 <harmony> karsten: like we did for 2014Q4? sure
16:54:39 <karsten> yes, like that.
16:54:42 <karsten> great!
16:55:01 <isabela> karsten: re:April I think so
16:55:07 <karsten> isabela: ok.
16:55:26 <isabela> Can we have another meeting in two weeks?
16:55:29 <sherief> Envite_: IMO, leave that to the tb-team to worry about. We can't use a preview of an OS to record screencasts. However, if WIn 10 comes out before May, I might consider it.
16:55:33 <isabela> I can help schedule it
16:55:44 <karsten> isabela: sounds great to me.
16:55:59 <Envite_> sherief: ok
16:56:03 <isabela> harmony karsten let me know if you need any help with the report stuff
16:56:17 <harmony> isabela: thanks
16:56:19 <karsten> isabela: will do. thanks!
16:56:34 <isabela> can I end the meeting or is there anything else people want to discuss?
16:56:52 <Envite_> Finito, for me
16:57:17 <isabela> #endmeeting