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18:58:46 <isabela> ok
18:58:49 <jagtalon> hello isabela!
18:59:04 <isabela> we said we would spend some time today organizing the content.. but before that is there any updates from folks?
18:59:32 <snsehahn> I'll send stats data to karsten this wrekend
18:59:35 <snsehahn> weekend*
18:59:48 <snsehahn> for current website
19:00:13 <snsehahn> thanks jagtalon for your work
19:00:40 <isabela> great
19:00:44 <jagtalon> snsehahn: no problem apologies for not including a CSV with the DOT file!
19:01:02 <isabela> jagtalon: no worries on that
19:01:11 <snsehahn> isa did some spreadsheet stuff which is a good starting point
19:01:19 <isabela> any other updates?
19:01:30 <snsehahn> that's today anyway ;)
19:01:33 <jagtalon> isabela quick question: so we're not accepting design work anymore now that we're working with a group that will help us?
19:02:30 <mrphs> simply secure is providing design guideline. without design guideline it's almost impossible to make a decision on designs
19:02:37 <isabela> they are not making the website mock, they are building design guideliens that will help who works on it
19:03:32 <jagtalon> mrphs isabela oh alright thanks for the clarification!
19:03:33 <isabela> yesterday we had the ux team meeting where this is being discussed and now we have a plan on the execution of this work (design guidelines)
19:03:36 <isabela> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/wDNocDf1dHJtkE7E01iuJeqG-5FIhjw_2urn4RQESNL
19:03:43 <isabela> you can follow up on that there
19:04:10 <jagtalon> isabela: thank you will have a look into it
19:04:12 <isabela> np!
19:04:14 <isabela> alright
19:04:17 <isabela> any other updates?
19:04:30 <mrphs> and you can join ux team as well, if you're interested. or just subscribe to the mailing list if you want to follow where things are going :)
19:04:37 <mrphs> jagtalon: ^
19:04:39 <isabela> indeed
19:04:48 <isabela> we can move to the exercise thing :)
19:05:00 <jagtalon> mrphs: totally interested :)
19:05:20 <isabela> so I thought that we could finalize the audience list started here https://storm.torproject.org/shared/pZmg4IsSZZac7h6zn9PFEdrqiRx5zjRY8kTfjnVZnwo
19:05:26 <isabela> give a color to each
19:05:42 <isabela> and then just color the cells of the spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hoceLEYevlxbVu5z5g7mdCPoBuhv6e0xJ3bRPEYWv4A/edit#gid=0
19:05:53 <isabela> sounds good?
19:07:48 * mrphs checks the urls
19:07:56 <mrphs> yeah sounds like the right way to do it
19:07:57 <snsehahn> any colorblind people?
19:08:12 <snsehahn> also lrts copy categories to the spreadsheet
19:08:20 <snsehahn> let's*
19:08:40 <isabela> we can list then under index columnn?
19:08:58 <snsehahn> yep
19:09:29 <isabela> done
19:09:43 <isabela> so lets think about that list of audience
19:09:48 <isabela> any changes to it?
19:11:05 <snsehahn> anyone?
19:11:13 <jagtalon> isabela: I'm thinking maybe another kind of user are "advocates" but not sure if that falls under donors or returning visitors
19:11:22 <isabela> I wonder if relay operators should be separated
19:11:29 <jagtalon> advocates - tshirts / swag / buttons /etc
19:12:07 <isabela> I think maybe 'volunteers' for advocates, teachers, relay operators?
19:13:02 <snsehahn> good call imo
19:13:11 <isabela> also I wonder if we should change 'returning user' to 'user who needs help'
19:13:28 <mrphs> i moved audience to a new sheet
19:13:39 <jagtalon> i like 'user who needs help'
19:13:52 <jagtalon> 'returning user' i thought was someone who wanted to learn more about tor
19:13:57 <snsehahn> split devs and researchers?
19:14:02 <jagtalon> 'user who needs help' might be clearer
19:14:56 <isabela> we should not be too granular because one page can server more.. we need to keep in mind the content we are classifying
19:15:01 <snsehahn> we already have research.tpo and plan on having dev.tpo
19:15:08 <isabela> ok
19:15:14 <isabela> sounds good
19:15:15 <snsehahn> rhats why i mention it
19:15:31 <snsehahn> but Im cool with it together too
19:15:46 <isabela> maybe is a good idea to split it, since we can also give tips for how to conduct ethical research on tor network etc
19:15:57 <isabela> which is different info from what would be on dev.
19:16:19 <isabela> dev is more dev projects, documentations, when and where the teams meets, their lists..
19:16:31 <snsehahn> labs maube too
19:16:36 <snsehahn> lets color?
19:16:55 <snsehahn> sorry for my spelling didnt make it home in time :(
19:17:02 <isabela> hehe is fine
19:17:21 <isabela> should we update the audience list first?
19:17:40 <snsehahn> pleasre
19:19:13 <isabela> I dont know about colors
19:19:14 <isabela> :P
19:19:24 <isabela> does that looks ok?
19:19:47 <snsehahn> yeah ;)
19:19:52 <snsehahn> its fine
19:20:07 <isabela> ok
19:20:14 <mrphs> yeah it's just a legend so we dont get confused
19:20:15 <isabela> should we start marking cells?
19:22:04 <isabela> just for now to make it easier to remember the colors
19:22:55 <mrphs> so i created a bunch of dots, so we can mark them with dots instead of coloring the whole thing.
19:23:11 <mrphs> the reason i did this, is because some of the pages are for more than one group of audience
19:23:16 <mrphs> and we can identify them as well
19:23:32 <isabela> dots?
19:23:42 <mrphs> see the 2nd sheet
19:23:48 <mrphs> gunner style :D
19:24:05 <isabela> copy and pasting the dots does not works
19:24:08 <isabela> becomes black
19:24:19 <snsehahn> lrts just identify primary audience?
19:24:23 <isabela> yes
19:24:29 <snsehahn> and leave stuff white
19:24:38 <snsehahn> that is truly multi-audience?
19:24:42 <isabela> lets just color the cells and see what we identify as multiple audience
19:24:47 <snsehahn> like frontpage maybe
19:24:48 <isabela> yeah
19:24:58 <isabela> laeve it white sounds ok for now
19:26:42 <mrphs> for instance "Projects" could be multiple audience
19:27:45 <snsehahn> to me thats dev
19:28:18 <isabela> yes
19:28:18 <mrphs> or a whole bunch of docs pages
19:28:34 <isabela> I think is under dev
19:28:50 <mrphs> docs? how about users who are trying to read the docs? :)
19:28:58 <isabela> is the project not necessary the promotion of the product but the project that makes the product
19:30:03 <mrphs> or "get involve" could be interesting for new users as well.
19:30:21 <isabela> mrphs: we will have docs for users who needs help and technical docs like how to compile it or debug it etc for the dev audience
19:31:32 <isabela> mrphs: sure but is about prioritization for the main audience
19:31:47 <isabela> what is the prioritization of content you want to present to a new user?
19:32:00 <isabela> how to get the prodcut and use it or how to become volunteer
19:32:30 <mrphs> well i mean this also gives us some idea on how to design the next website. right?
19:32:50 <isabela> of course
19:33:06 <mrphs> specially for the main index page
19:33:14 <isabela> i also think we can always refer to the notes from berlin dev meeting
19:33:17 <mrphs> thats where we want "new users" to also "get involve"
19:33:34 <isabela> since this prioritization for new users was discussed a lot
19:39:56 <snsehahn> are we happy?
19:40:28 <isabela> I am still doing it
19:40:31 <isabela> sorry
19:40:58 <snsehahn> nice :)
19:41:01 <snsehahn> ty!
19:41:16 <mrphs> yeah i just think this needs way more thinking
19:42:03 <snsehahn> I think this is just for a rough idea
19:42:10 <mrphs> sounds good
19:42:17 <isabela> we need to start somewhere
19:42:48 <isabela> is also not as if we will just copy these pages into a website and ship it ;)
19:42:55 <isabela> for instance
19:43:02 <mrphs> for sure
19:43:15 <isabela> i put a comment if educational information related to download and instalation should be marked as yellow
19:43:30 <isabela> and the new design can create download pages that has more education stuff going on
19:43:33 <isabela> combine them
19:43:42 <mrphs> i think at some point i need to clone this and reorganize base on how my brain functions :D and think some more about it
19:43:51 <isabela> sure
19:44:11 <isabela> we said we would spend time on this meeting working on it and is almost 1hr of meeting
19:44:38 <mrphs> I'm really happy with the direction we're taking though.
19:44:39 <jagtalon> isabela: I'm not sure where /about/jobs- would be placed in haha
19:44:40 <isabela> so maybe we can set up a date where we get a final color coding thing and talk about what we can do after
19:44:43 <isabela> as next step
19:45:07 <isabela> jagtalon: yeah I am leaving all mroe 'institutional' stuff as white for now
19:45:12 <isabela> *more
19:45:48 <jagtalon> ah gotcha!
19:46:07 <isabela> lets say we spend a week refining this - what can we do next ?
19:46:41 <snsehahn> hopefully look at stats!
19:46:48 <isabela> aha!
19:46:59 <isabela> that would be cool indeed
19:47:13 <jagtalon> yes! i agree
19:47:44 <snsehahn> next week is good friday and my bday. I think I won't make it on a friday night. I will send an update before tho.
19:47:56 <isabela> !
19:48:04 <isabela> alright :) and happy bday hehe
19:48:13 <mrphs> stats for birthday! could it get any better? :D
19:48:54 <isabela> cool! so we can refine this over the week and catch up on things next Friday
19:49:21 <isabela> ?
19:49:57 <snsehahn> sounds great!
19:50:09 <mrphs> im not sure how much time i can spend on this refining during the week. but am about to catch a plane and can spend the whole flight on it :D
19:50:46 <isabela> fun!
19:50:49 <isabela> alright ending bot
19:50:52 <isabela> #endmeeting